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	<title>Comments on: The Five Best Arguments for Coal (And why they&#8217;re still really, really bad.)</title>
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	<description>There's a big black hole in UK climate policy...</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 08:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
		<link>http://thecoalhole.org/the-five-best-arguments-for-coal-and-why-theyre-still-really-really-bad/#comment-140</link>
		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ever consider how much taxpayers money your consuming,police,secruruty,cleaning up after you.
if your that concerned why not get a large hamster wheel and generate your own electricity instead of wasting police time and resources</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ever consider how much taxpayers money your consuming,police,secruruty,cleaning up after you.<br />
if your that concerned why not get a large hamster wheel and generate your own electricity instead of wasting police time and resources</p>
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		<title>By: King Coal</title>
		<link>http://thecoalhole.org/the-five-best-arguments-for-coal-and-why-theyre-still-really-really-bad/#comment-139</link>
		<dc:creator>King Coal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Inaccurate?? I know for a fact, but you will have to wait and see.
They are happy to get an engineering contract in Indonesia because quite simply they will not get any opposition over there, while they would here, so they cut thier cloth accordingly = coal in the East and renewables in the West, clever but the report has been canned.

The chinese are bringing on 1 new coal fired station on line a month for the next 3 years(without even running F.G.D -Too expensive for them to run!) they also have no opposition, but the UK wants to bring in 2-3 (with FGD-Scrubs and CC) of them and out come the tree huggers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inaccurate?? I know for a fact, but you will have to wait and see.<br />
They are happy to get an engineering contract in Indonesia because quite simply they will not get any opposition over there, while they would here, so they cut thier cloth accordingly = coal in the East and renewables in the West, clever but the report has been canned.</p>
<p>The chinese are bringing on 1 new coal fired station on line a month for the next 3 years(without even running F.G.D -Too expensive for them to run!) they also have no opposition, but the UK wants to bring in 2-3 (with FGD-Scrubs and CC) of them and out come the tree huggers!</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://thecoalhole.org/the-five-best-arguments-for-coal-and-why-theyre-still-really-really-bad/#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 15:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er, that report was &lt;strong&gt;written&lt;/strong&gt; by Poyry Energy. They do seem pretty keen on renewables. (They’re saying that if we get into renewables and energy efficiency &lt;strong&gt;we don’t need big new power plants&lt;/strong&gt;.)

On the other hand, they also seem pretty keen on coal - &lt;a href="http://www.energy.poyry.com/general/general_9.html?&#038;Id=1224449.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here for example&lt;/a&gt; they’re talking about how happy they are to get an engineering contract at a coal-fired power plant in Indonesia.

Anti-coal, biased and already discounted? &lt;strong&gt;Interesting&lt;/strong&gt;, but also &lt;strong&gt;inaccurate&lt;/strong&gt;. You’re going to have to do better than that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er, that report was <strong>written</strong> by Poyry Energy. They do seem pretty keen on renewables. (They’re saying that if we get into renewables and energy efficiency <strong>we don’t need big new power plants</strong>.)</p>
<p>On the other hand, they also seem pretty keen on coal - <a href="http://www.energy.poyry.com/general/general_9.html?&#038;Id=1224449.html" rel="nofollow">here for example</a> they’re talking about how happy they are to get an engineering contract at a coal-fired power plant in Indonesia.</p>
<p>Anti-coal, biased and already discounted? <strong>Interesting</strong>, but also <strong>inaccurate</strong>. You’re going to have to do better than that!</p>
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		<title>By: King Coal</title>
		<link>http://thecoalhole.org/the-five-best-arguments-for-coal-and-why-theyre-still-really-really-bad/#comment-136</link>
		<dc:creator>King Coal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 12:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah! Yes the Poyry report. Sponsered by Poyry Energy who are (Now!) keen supporters of the renewables sector, so it's therefore Anti-coal &#38; biased and not worth the paper it was written on and has already been discounted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah! Yes the Poyry report. Sponsered by Poyry Energy who are (Now!) keen supporters of the renewables sector, so it&#8217;s therefore Anti-coal &amp; biased and not worth the paper it was written on and has already been discounted.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://thecoalhole.org/the-five-best-arguments-for-coal-and-why-theyre-still-really-really-bad/#comment-132</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From today's (1st August 2008) &lt;a href="http://ilexenergy.com/pages/230_%20Implications%20of%20the%20UK%20meeting%20its%202020%20Renewable%20Energy%20target%20v1.0.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;Poyry report on UK Renewables targets&lt;/a&gt;: 

[Our] report considered six scenarios for meeting Britain's commitments to deliver on the binding EU renewable energy commitments for 2020, and for future electricity demand (drawing on both EU and UK targets for energy efficiency), and assessed whether any additional capacity from conventional sources [i.e. big power plants] would be needed to secure the UK's electricity needs. It concluded that there would be &lt;strong&gt;no role for such plants&lt;/strong&gt;, even taking into account the very few days when there is little or no wind. These scenarios represent a radical shift away from the 'business as usual' pathway (under which new power stations may indeed be needed). But such a radical shift is precisely what is required by the Government's stated ambitions on renewables and energy efficiency.

So, &lt;strong&gt;according to the government&lt;/strong&gt;, who are hardly the progressive renewable energy enthusiasts we'd like them to be, we don't need big new power stations.

As for 'clean coal', it's a nice idea, but that's all it is! It doesn't work on any large scale and certainly wouldn't make new power plants clean. You might as well argue that we should be building &lt;strong&gt;nuclear fusion&lt;/strong&gt; plants - according to industry it will be &lt;strong&gt;at least&lt;/strong&gt; twenty years before carbon capture technology is advanced enough to start cutting emissions - if it wo0rks at all. That's no good if we need to be cutting emissions within the next five years!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From today&#8217;s (1st August 2008) <a href="http://ilexenergy.com/pages/230_%20Implications%20of%20the%20UK%20meeting%20its%202020%20Renewable%20Energy%20target%20v1.0.pdf" rel="nofollow">Poyry report on UK Renewables targets</a>: </p>
<p>[Our] report considered six scenarios for meeting Britain&#8217;s commitments to deliver on the binding EU renewable energy commitments for 2020, and for future electricity demand (drawing on both EU and UK targets for energy efficiency), and assessed whether any additional capacity from conventional sources [i.e. big power plants] would be needed to secure the UK&#8217;s electricity needs. It concluded that there would be <strong>no role for such plants</strong>, even taking into account the very few days when there is little or no wind. These scenarios represent a radical shift away from the &#8216;business as usual&#8217; pathway (under which new power stations may indeed be needed). But such a radical shift is precisely what is required by the Government&#8217;s stated ambitions on renewables and energy efficiency.</p>
<p>So, <strong>according to the government</strong>, who are hardly the progressive renewable energy enthusiasts we&#8217;d like them to be, we don&#8217;t need big new power stations.</p>
<p>As for &#8216;clean coal&#8217;, it&#8217;s a nice idea, but that&#8217;s all it is! It doesn&#8217;t work on any large scale and certainly wouldn&#8217;t make new power plants clean. You might as well argue that we should be building <strong>nuclear fusion</strong> plants - according to industry it will be <strong>at least</strong> twenty years before carbon capture technology is advanced enough to start cutting emissions - if it wo0rks at all. That&#8217;s no good if we need to be cutting emissions within the next five years!</p>
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		<title>By: King Coal</title>
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		<dc:creator>King Coal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ONLY option to clean coal is Nuclear, that's why I say long live coal. Their will never be enough wind power or even wind to keep this country supplied at peak demand. Gas will be gone in 25-27 years, so for me it's either Clean Coal or the lights go out, their really is no choice at the moment. The Power companies across Europe have cleaned up their act, there is more to do ,I agree, but they are working on it and only by working with them can you make changes. Climate Camp should not be trying to disrupt a coal fired station. even if they did succeed in shutting one down for a day or so, they will only bring an oil fired one on instead, to replace it=more pollution! If Nuclear is the choice we are ALL doomed.

Sorry if this is a rant! was not meant to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ONLY option to clean coal is Nuclear, that&#8217;s why I say long live coal. Their will never be enough wind power or even wind to keep this country supplied at peak demand. Gas will be gone in 25-27 years, so for me it&#8217;s either Clean Coal or the lights go out, their really is no choice at the moment. The Power companies across Europe have cleaned up their act, there is more to do ,I agree, but they are working on it and only by working with them can you make changes. Climate Camp should not be trying to disrupt a coal fired station. even if they did succeed in shutting one down for a day or so, they will only bring an oil fired one on instead, to replace it=more pollution! If Nuclear is the choice we are ALL doomed.</p>
<p>Sorry if this is a rant! was not meant to be.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, cooling towers do look dramatic. But you will see that there are chimneys in the pic as well, pumping out a variety of noxious substances - and it would be odd if there weren't!

Things are probably better than they were - tougher environmental standards mean plants have to be cleaner these days. But there hasn't been an effort to address carbon dioxide emissions - and we know it's those that are cooking the planet. As far as CO2 is concerned, coal is as dirty as ever.

'Long live coal' seems like a weird thing to say - should we really be that attached to a technology? Surely if we can meet our power needs with investment in clean renewables and energy efficiency that's a more elegant solution? Certainly, it would be a more efficient one - those cooling towers you're pointing to represent a load of wasted heat energy - around 50% of the energy in the coal in the first place!

Long live humanity, I say - and that means ditching inefficient, polluting old coal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, cooling towers do look dramatic. But you will see that there are chimneys in the pic as well, pumping out a variety of noxious substances - and it would be odd if there weren&#8217;t!</p>
<p>Things are probably better than they were - tougher environmental standards mean plants have to be cleaner these days. But there hasn&#8217;t been an effort to address carbon dioxide emissions - and we know it&#8217;s those that are cooking the planet. As far as CO2 is concerned, coal is as dirty as ever.</p>
<p>&#8216;Long live coal&#8217; seems like a weird thing to say - should we really be that attached to a technology? Surely if we can meet our power needs with investment in clean renewables and energy efficiency that&#8217;s a more elegant solution? Certainly, it would be a more efficient one - those cooling towers you&#8217;re pointing to represent a load of wasted heat energy - around 50% of the energy in the coal in the first place!</p>
<p>Long live humanity, I say - and that means ditching inefficient, polluting old coal.</p>
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		<title>By: Old King Coal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old King Coal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do groups like yours always show Cooling Towers in your pictures? All that is escaping to the atmosphere is steam! Or is it to make the picture more dramatic? Long live coal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do groups like yours always show Cooling Towers in your pictures? All that is escaping to the atmosphere is steam! Or is it to make the picture more dramatic? Long live coal.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Willmington</title>
		<link>http://thecoalhole.org/the-five-best-arguments-for-coal-and-why-theyre-still-really-really-bad/#comment-103</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Willmington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 09:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but if we use just coal surely coal will be usedup more faster and we'll soon run out of coal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but if we use just coal surely coal will be usedup more faster and we&#8217;ll soon run out of coal.</p>
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		<title>By: Ailish</title>
		<link>http://thecoalhole.org/the-five-best-arguments-for-coal-and-why-theyre-still-really-really-bad/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>Ailish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4. Oil is going to run out - but we’ve got lots of coal!

Isn't that what people said about all fossil fuels in the Industrial Revolution and about oil until recently?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4. Oil is going to run out - but we’ve got lots of coal!</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that what people said about all fossil fuels in the Industrial Revolution and about oil until recently?</p>
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